*Layovers will be rare (mechanical issues, weather), trip planning will be turns out and back same day. Do you want your pilots to be the bottom of the barrel? I wonder if their First Class will have free food and drinks (like JetBlue) or if they're taking the Spirit Big Front Seat approach. I think the deal is too good to be true while others think it's chump change and will never work. Idea sounds interesting but that pay scale and hiring model is trash. Yeah.let us be honest.A 25 year veteran flight attendant is not someone most of us want on a flight. So you can make $1200 in a month only working 80 hrs a month. Think lifeguards. For the rest of my career at VX I commuted into SFO the night before a trip. Thanks !! As the app is described: That app, Neeleman says, is designed to convince customers to shell out for upgrades and extras, from food to rental cars, which Breeze is depending on to turn a profit. Is there a penalty for leaving early? Keep working at it, maybe you'll can find an unpaid internship on Arsenio. Thread starter aisleguy; Start date Mar 22, 2022; A. aisleguy Well-Known Member. 3) Solid work experience in my chosen industry! Others might say its borderline exploitative. CORRECTION for the above; should be as follows: - like airlines based in countries that still allow for hiring and firing based on age., Apologies for the error! I wonder what other benefits and tax breaks Breeze gets, in exchange for providing "jobs". When it comes to Breeze Airways, theres good news and bad news. Yes, they are using and abusing us. Lots of waiting around and prep time. Years ago right out of college I worked as a contractor on-site at one of the biggest technology companies in the world. If you fly anywhere close to a normal schedule, the numbers look brighter. but if your salary stays low, you cannot build a family. Many may not have developed interactional skills with customers (passengers) and feel this job can help teach them that skill. He couldn't pay me $1200 to fly them for a month. I am over the moon thrilled! Spirit passengers, not so much. But it may be a great opportunity for some as I said for 1-2 years for a young person. I will make $15-20 per hour for my hard work on average when you figure all the work we do for free. Or maybe the extension to San Francisco's Oakland Bay Bridge, built entirely in China, shipped across the ocean in pieces, and bolted together by 100% American union labor for a living wage. Today the average annual income for A320 FO's are at incredible $20k. Sad that people in society know what's best for everybody else and don't want people making their own decisions. Good luck with that. Seems oppressive, so they wont be seeing my business. In other words, the airline is trying to exclude anyone who has a family, a college degree, or is looking to build a career. They can't profitably or even just realistically offer higher minimums than that at this point because they won't have the volume of flights. It's silly to ape outrage when we don't know a lot of the details of the actual work and schedule. P Glotzer (United States) 1st March 2023. Interesting. We are seeing a rapid deployment of apps and self-service kiosks to replace human workforce that don't bring $15 an hour value. Most of the comments are/were regarding the MMG and hourly pay, but the key factor is the requirements to actually get the job. I don't know how Breeze expects to hire the best people who invest in the job at those wages. /s. Why are we encouraging a race to the bottom? That 20-hour difference each month makes a huge difference in annual salary, regardless of the hourly rate offered. There are almost 1000 E175/E190 type rated pilots from ExpressJet and Compass. FAs are there for your safety: The younger the FA, the stronger they are. more like the lived way of another religious group who is willing to do ANYTHING to keep control in place, . Or at least it is very close. Apart from seeking to keep labor cost for the flight attendants lower than at airlines where seniority translates into wage escalation over time, not to mention other costs such as health insurance, which also becomes more expensive as most of us advance in age, or perhaps even pension costs, since the college interns are envisioned as moving on to other occupations after they age out - er graduate - another benefit of this innovative labor Apart from seeking to keep labor cost for the flight attendants lower than at airlines where seniority translates into wage escalation over time, not to mention other costs such as health insurance, which also becomes more expensive as most of us advance in age, or perhaps even pension costs, since the college interns are envisioned as moving on to other occupations after they age out - er graduate - another benefit of this innovative labor policy for flight attendants just so happens to be maintaining a youthful labor force as seniors depart from - er graduate - their internships and are replaced by freshmen (and women; the term fresh was intentionally omitted as that does not exactly present well given the context). Our point-to-point network means no connections for an easier, quicker and nicer journey. I would instruct my old self to work yet harder for my lousy salary. Corporate apartments with two bedrooms. Housing and travel to/from work provided. They can't profitably or even just realistically offer higher minimums than that at this point because they won't have the volume of flights. Love it! $36.76. Captain 1st year $192 and $203 in year six. Chances if you have surgery, you already have. I'm sorry, a career flight attendant is absurd. 2. After the carrier recently announced the hourly pay offered to pilots, however, the aforementioned description may not be satisfactory. Must have 2,000 hours total time in large, Group II transport category, fixed-wing aircraft (turbojet aircraft of more than 41,000 lbs. NGPA Expo - February 9-10 in PSP Booth 525, Women in Aviation - February 23-25 in LGB - Booth 549, TPNx April 21-22 in MCO, Currently hiring E190/195 and A220 First Officers, E190/195 Captains, and Australian Pilots that hold or have previously held an E-3 visa, New hire classes every month for the E190/195 and A220, Scheduled passenger service on the E190/195 flying consists of day trips (no overnights) with limited flying on Tuesday and Wednesday, Charter business is very robust on the E190/195 Charter flights may operate any day of the week, A220 operates a traditional schedule 7 days per week, Significant growth and expansion planned over the next 5 years, Breeze flies to 30+ cities from coast to coast, Eight A220s delivered as of August 2022 - 73 more to be delivered and options for 40 more, Ejet fleet projected to grow to 30 by 2025, A220 fleet is projected to grow to nearly 60 by the end of 2025, A new training center opened in SLC with one E190/195 simulator and one A220 simulator, $200 million in funding was raised in August of 2021. I'm sure safety will be first class on Breeze. Maybe wait and see? The pay is horrifically low, though. That rate of pay is so low and that availability schedule requires so much flexibility that I have to imagine he isn't targeting primarily college students, who have class schedules to contend with, but high school graduates and GED holders up through their early 20s. The new carrier, founded by serial aviation entrepreneur David Neeleman first teased the idea, code-named Moxy, in mid-2018. thats expected to launch in the US in early 2021, The airline is hiring both pilots and flight attendants, given that its close to launching operations, Breeze hiring pilots with uncompetitive pay. An economy and society needs its worker bees as much as (more than?) I think they are going Myrtle Beach Direct Air style. Seems like they could be taking advantage of this particular moment in time, and the situation the industry is in. The low cost price they originally show you is a scam. Even if/though they get corporate housing (which could also be really dismal) they've still got to pay for food. This arrogant capitalist needs to be forced to live in poverty too. Within a few years, she decided ENT surgery would be somewhat more interesting work and spent more than a decade training up at a resident wages that most union folk would scoff at. While perhaps not quite as controversial, Breezes approach to hiring pilots is also raising some eyebrows, as flagged by @StringAndRuder and @AirlineFlyer. In fact, the concept seems brilliant and hope I make it through the process and get selected. I suspect the *average* monthly paid hours across the whole year will be a lot higher. Thanks for update !! Pilots from Compass and Expressjet will flock to Breeze to maintain currency. Claim your Free Employer Profile Website: www.flybreeze.com Headquarters: Cottonwood Heights, UT Size: 501 to 1000 Employees Founded: 2018 Type: Company - Private Are They Worth Taking? Should be a wage and hour attorney's dream; they'll be subject to every state's wage/hour laws wherever they fly and be subject to both private lawsuits as well as administrative cases from the wage/hour agency in those respective states. Finally, Breeze needs to get its financial footing or their employees could all be forced out on the street. So a lifelong career. How awful that Neeleman is forcing people to work under these conditions with a gun to their head! The estimated salary at Breeze Airways ranges from approximately $14,500 per year for Team Leader to $150,907 per year for Director.. What follows then is a vast amount of turnover which, in itself, compromises safety. Is there a penalty for leaving early? Wont fly them with this info. Anyone have any info on what flying for Breeze Airways is like? Our business address is: Founded in 2018, Breeze Airways was advertised to become the Worlds Nicest Airline. Login Support. Yes, they are using and abusing us. Breeze has promised to pay flight attendants a fixed monthly rate of $1,200, alongside an annual bursary of $6,000 and free shared company accommodation. It's not so nice to say, but the truth is that young untrained employees aren't always worth that much. Stay connected with the latest travel, aviation, and credit card news. Does Breeze offer enough pay to pilots? The Breeze pilots, once hired, will see the Neeleman is begging for a pilot union to quickly form on his new airline, whether he knows it or not. Were going to work hard to make sure this doesnt get off the ground, says Sara Nelson, president of the Association of Flight Attendants-CWA. Pre-Order now!Pre-Order Inflight A359FJ0623 1:200 Fiji Airways Airbus A350-941Highly detailed diecast pre-finished collector model airplane. This is absolutely exploitive. This might work in the short-term, but the moment that demand recovers, the airline is going to have to significantly increase pay, or it will risk having pilots leave in droves. Right now I believe there are more pilots than are needed. Not discussed here is the difference between flight hours and duty day. Some will likely say that Breeze Airways proposed pilot pay is the free market at work, with so many pilots furloughed or laid off. I worked for the now defunct Bar Harbor Airlines in the 80s. For the right crewmember this could be an excellent opportunity. Sounds very ME3. My point is: Why pay more if you don't have to? The old adage "Skilled labor isn't cheap - Cheap labor isn't skilled" still applies. You ask "why not schedule surgery with a doctor as an intern? Neeleman has a track record of success in the industry, so Im curious to see how this venture works out. Our business address is: Also, Breeze Airways may be a good solution for a pilot who only wants to rack up 55 hours each month with a lighter workload. So much whining and squealing. All rights reserved. I don't think any new business venture in a competitive feel can be termed "exploitative." You can also reach us at (800) 573-1848. The salary is 22.50 an hour sounds good but there is so much you don't get paid for that other airlines do. Eight months later our crashpad lease expired. 2) housing: I am curious what housing? Split a very inexpensive room with one or two others and have a fun time. They paid $3.50 an hour. the percentage of revenues it gets to keep, but because Spirit makes so little revenue on their high-cost investments they don't add up to much. As in, Gompers? Breeze Will Pay Flight Attendants $1,200 Per Month, Wants To Ding Your Credit Card, Avelo Airlines having launched operations, Breeze Airways is expected to be the next US airline startup, expected to start selling tickets any day now, Breeze Airways views flight attendants as interns, Breeze wants you to buy a filet mignon sandwich, Breeze will have low fares, no change fees, Breeze has a huge cost advantage over competitors, Breezes controversial approach to hiring flight attendants, Should Babies Be Allowed In First Class? This is a very exciting idea indeed! "fun little add-ons" er surely time-consuming adverts interrupting one's day asking one to pay for something high quality airlines provide as part of their price. Editorial Disclosure: The editorial content on this page is not provided by any entity mentioned herein. So, that will be difficult. To airline pilots is there anything Im missing here that would make Breeze an attractive employer? Tons of excess pilot supply at the moment. Death to racist capitalism, Life and good health to the international working class. Given that long haul truckers can make that and more, with additional signing bonuses, you must really love to fly and be desperate. Well your also comparing companies that have been in business for a substantial time period. Landing June 2023. This airline is banking on their 4 year contract holding up. Posts: 36,185. *Layovers will be rare (mechanical issues, weather), trip planning will be turns out and back same day. maximum takeoff weight), Must have 500 hours of PIC in large, Group II transport category aircraft (turbojet aircraft of more than 41,000 lbs. Let him eat his own crap for breakfast lunch and dinner. I make it to one-on-one video interview and was told I was too old to join program. The significant wage difference may be in anticipation of the economic recovery process ahead. Copyright 2005-2023 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. Or to put it another way, by year six, First Officers at Breeze Airways end up making almost half as much as JetBlue Co-Pilots. Eight hours plus. The average salary for Flight Attendant at Breeze Airways in the United States is $19.64 per hour, which is 14% below the national average. This isnt a job, its servitude by hopeless people who have been abandoned by their government and economic system. I sure appreciate it. And I'm not convinced a bright college student can't get the job done. Filet mignon is perhaps being used intentionally as an example of something you can't buy onboard even a full service airline but which many people would pay for. Neeleman is known for building airlines with great cultures, but I kind of have a hard time getting behind this whole concept at Breeze. Breeze Airways insights Based on 31 survey responses Areas for improvement Fair pay for job Support from manager Overall satisfaction Bad leadership Customer Service Representative (Former Employee) - Salt Lake City, UT - February 13, 2023 Breeze has potential as a start-up. Checking in Online. As a retired Flight Attendant after 34 years of service I find this both offensive and sad. Even the ME3 flight attendants start on a salary of around $3,000 per month plus housing and that is tax-free. As a college student, I love the idea! . And they likely will try to launch with no union, am I right? They can't practice on their own. Its stated that the role of flight attendants will be part time, as theyll work 15 days per month. *The whole Home Monthly is based on operational needs and must Monty, I interviewed at Breeze a few months back. Kinda like most private sector unions. Maybe 3 hours. Not sure if labor pool for whom the model fits is really large enough to support high turnover baked into the model or can support scale to provide regular flight frequency but we'll see. While we do try to list all the best miles and points deals, the site does not include all card companies or credit card offers available in the marketplace. Great idea. While we do try to list all the best miles and points deals, the site does not include all card companies or credit card offers available in the marketplace. Impressive to see how discussion of new airline business immediately decedents into anti-religious bigotry. $1,200/mo if you have 15 days off and $1,400/mo if only 10. Young, unattached, few opportunities, and committed to finishing school in 4 years. Every Friday Saturday, and Sunday of the month. We are in search of the best and the brightest to join our dynamic team of aviation and people enthusiasts. There will be scheduled 1% pay raises on September 15, 2023, and September 15, 2024. As for the FA's..they will definitely be lined up around the block for a job like this with those benies. Sounds ripe for an age discrimination lawsuit at some point too. Even liberal-minded folks who support workers grow to hate the rhetoric surrounding unions and union actions. That sounds part time and probably better since you are getting paid for all of your time. This same thing happened in Brazil with Azul. This was the skybus business plan. The good news is that the hourly wages are above-average. They cost a lot to train up and cost a lot to manage. @Ben L. exhibiting developmental delay for snark: that's concerning. At least, I can't find that information. When I met my wife, she wanted to be a physical therapist. Or perhaps thats actually the goal that Breeze wants a revolving door of pilots so that it can keep pilots towards the bottom of the pay scale. It's exactly what I have been saying for years. Welcome! I am a 40 year flight attendant at a legacy carrierand I llove my job. the recruiters told me: *No insurance provided. How innovative. Nice. If its actually cheaper and leg room isnt a total disaster, their planes will be full. I explained more in my previous posts. Why are we encouraging a race to the bottom? The initiative will see flight attendants be paid a fixed sum of $1,200 each month. No per diem or overnight trips means you can forget about exploring any new cities (not that you could afford to do anything in another city anyway). The estimated base pay is $3,842 per month.
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